Coronavirus

I love this quote from the New Yorker.

Quote (New Yorker)

He said that, by putting his name on the checks, “Whenever the American people hear about the coronavirus, the first thing they’ll think of is me.”

Asked about Trump’s decision to sign the checks, Dr. Anthony Fauci said, “I don’t think it was really necessary, since most people already associate the coronavirus with him.”

And many of those think of the initial inaction and dismissal of the threat by The Donald, and their association may be somewhat negative. (Does that include Dr. Fauci?)
Not to worry. It is very unlikely that The Don’ will be able to see past the hubris and ego and catch the double entendre.

Hehehehehe, Trump is just a symptom of a much greater problem.

Dik

‘Sack of Hammers’ award (as in dumb as a sack of hammers):

Dik

L,
I agree with you. In the long view - the questions people will still be working on many years from now - will be how effective REALLY WERE the different reactions & strategies? The fundamental facts to answer that will come from a “forensic” analysis of the spread in various populations. Depending on when the antibody tests become available, and how much they cost, a large or small dataset will develop that shows the real denominator on the statistics. The fatality rate is still today an approximately known number divided by a shot in the dark number. It may be years before science can weed out the real data from the political slant and propaganda. There will be an incentive to figure this stuff out, because the same data is needed to show how effective the vaccines are.

Has everyone read Jared Diamond’s book “Guns, Germs, and Steel”?

It is also relevant to this discussion. Big picture, germs have a way to picking the same losers that the winners have already picked, so to speak. It’s not fair, it’s not right, but you can’t explain that to a life form one micron in size.

@SparWeb @Latexman I guess the question is, “Would you be prepared to sacrifice your life for a better GDP?” I wouldn’t… Some politicians think you should… ones that are out of the mainstream of risk… easy for them to wish… and definitely none those that would benefit from a better GDP.

Dik

FDA has seriously compromised with the lives of US citizens by brining untested HCQ from India and Pakistan. Some of the pharma companies have not been audited and in Pakistan they found deficiencies.
Welcome to third world health care system.

Canada’s health care system is pretty good… still have the cast on from a serious fracture of my ankle… bent 90 degrees with bones protruding… nearly 2 weeks in hospital after surgery… large incisions on each side of my ankle… metal plates, screws, wires, etc. and 20 or so surgical staples each side. Likely a $100,000 operation and stay and my cost is $500 for the ambulance.

The Americans have totally screwed this up and have cost thousands of lives… Trump’s concerned the Chinese withheld info for 6 days and he has squandered 60 days.

Dik

RIP Shirley Douglas. passed 5 April, 2020
Mother of Keifer Sutherland and ex wife of Donald Sutherland.

Shirley Douglas - Wikipedia

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(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Douglas)

Shirley Jean Douglas OC (April 2, 1934 – April 5, 2020) was a Canadian television, film and stage actress and activist. Her acting career combined with her family name made her recognizable in Canadian film, television and national politics.

Parent(s) ‎: ‎Tommy Douglas‎; Irma Dempsey

Years active ‎: ‎1950–2015

Occupation ‎: ‎Actress, activist

Died ‎: ‎April 5, 2020 (aged 86); ‎Toronto, Ontario‎,

But why has the obituary of a Canadian Actress been included in this thread?
Shirley’s father was Tommy Douglas.
Tommy Douglas is the acknowledged father of the Canadian Health Care Program.
Tommy Douglas was responsible for the medicare program implemented in the province of Saskatchewan in 1962. The first such program in North America.
Mr. Douglas moved to Federal Politics as the leader of the NDP party.
In 1966, the Liberal minority government of Lester B. Pearson created such a program, with the federal government paying 50% of the costs and the provinces the other half. The adoption of public health care across Canada ended up being the work of three men with diverse political ideals – Douglas of the NDP, Diefenbaker of the Progressive Conservatives, and Pearson of the Liberals.
In a national TV contest, conducted by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) in 2004, he was crowned “Greatest Canadian” by viewers in an online vote, almost 18 years after his death.[

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In the context of my post about statistics, I don’t know what this means. In the context of Guns, Germs, and Steel, this much more relevant. So I’ll reply with respect to that interpretation.

Health of the population is directly linked to the efficiency of the economy, and indirectly then to the GDP. As a society’s average age gets old, this is one of the downstream effects (eg. Japan and Italy). Not only are younger people lesser consumers of public resources, they also produce more for less (seen coldly). One of the ways a society can mitigate the effect of this is to support public health policy that prevents young people from becoming sick people before they become old people. Some countries get this (UK, Canada, Japan) and some countries don’t (USA, Mexico).
So that’s the “national” level of analysis.

Then there’s the “international” level of analysis of Germ Warfare.
In that context, I know little worth printing. There are a lot of accusations and politically bent messages, not limited to the ones dutifully carried by the press from the mouth of the Orangutan-in-Chief to the whole world. Everyone’s in the propaganda game, just less blatant about it. Then there are also a lot of unsaid things which would contribute to helping and mutually support, such as the sharing of scientific knowledge and what works/doesn’t work between people who got in trouble first. But since they words are not said, nobody else knows what the others know, so they have to figure it out on their own. Different strategies, adopted by different agencies, with different long-term agendas, according to their priorities and where they find themselves “on the curve”.

Health of the population is directly linked to the efficiency of the economy,

I would suggest that if that were true then the US, having an exceptionally efficient economy, would have a healthy population. Such is not the case. It might be true for a small select portion of the population but is not correct for the general society. If true, then why are the poor and disenfranchised parts of your society twice as likely to die, as is the case with this pandemic? Why does Cuba have a lower infant mortality rate? In a healthy society, there could be a correlation, but this has been seriously corrupted.

.and indirectly then to the GDP.

An efficient economy can lead to a healthy GDP, but is not a guarantee of one. This is largely a function of resources, including people. The GDP of many of the middle east petroleum producers may be high. I would hardly suggest that this was due to an efficient economy… simply an excess of resources. In Japan’s instance, their GDP is a matter of the people since they are resource poor. My reference to sacrificing my life for a higher GDP is a caustic comment about recent matters where politicians and businessmen are prepared to sacrifice lives, not theirs, to improve the GDP. They themselves, are isolated from this selection mechanism.

As a society’s average age gets old, this is one of the downstream effects (eg. Japan and Italy). Not only are younger people lesser consumers of public resources, they also produce more for less (seen coldly)

Concur… with a caveat… the younger people are riding on the wave produced by the older ones and are benefiting from it. They are already starting from an elevated perch. One of the few duties a government has is to look after the long term interests of the citizenry… this includes the ‘old codgers’.

One of the ways a society can mitigate the effect of this is to support public health policy that prevents young people from becoming sick people before they become old people.

While also looking after the old codgers.

Some countries get this (UK, Canada, Japan)…

and many of the European and Scandinavian countries fall into this category. Of the Western countries, the US and Mexico seem to be the exception. The GDP of these countries is wildly different.

Then there’s the “international” level of analysis of Germ Warfare.
This has two significant issues. Initially, it is used politically to deflect blame. Why would a government need to deflect blame? Perhaps, a smokescreen to obscure the real causes of the problem. Of a more significant matter the coronovirus provides a window on the real consequences of bio-warfare. It can be far more damaging than chemical or nuclear, unless on a global basis. With bio-weapons, borders become less significant.

… the Orangutan-in-Chief’ is a product of the American population and is representative of a large segment of the population. He is also a symptom of a much greater problem.

Then there are also a lot of unsaid things which would contribute to helping and mutually support, such as the sharing of scientific knowledge and what works/doesn’t work between people who got in trouble first.

Concur… I suspect, initially, that the Chinese had no idea of the gorilla they had their hands on and for reasons of security or false pride did not involve the rest of the world. It was a mistake, but not the worst one. Once the Chinese did inform the world, after about a week, they realised they had a significant problem and informed the WHO. They provided genetic material and their doctors and the Australians were the first to map out the genome; this was back in January. This lag is brief considering the time our governments have squandered without being proactive. It is used as a smokescreen to obscure our own inaction.

I suspect both our countries are in for a ride of our lives and it will not end ‘pretty’.

Different strategies, adopted by different agencies, with different long-term agendas, according to their priorities and where they find themselves “on the curve”.

All this has had the effect of making control more elusive and wasting huge resources that could be better used.

Dik

See what getting friendly and starting the economy too soon does… it’s starting to slope upwards again…

I got some interesting mail today. Did anyone else get The Epoch Times?

They did cause some harm… but, nowhere like the harm that was done by your administration. The Chinese delayed notifying the WHO by six days… nothing like the 60 days squandered by the administration.

I’ve got a couple of hundred N95 masks on order that should arrive any day now…

Dik

If someone dies after ingesting Clorox, does that count as a COVID 19 related death?
I keep having random thoughts about the motivation of lemmings.
History supports your post.
In the swine flu pandemic, San Fransisco followed good medical advice and missed the worst of the second wave.
They thought that the danger was over and relaxed precautions.
They were hit by the third wave.
The US ignored medical advice in the beginning.
Had medical advice been followed I suspect that the economic impact would have been much less than it now is.
So,-
They will again ignore medical advice and reopen too soon.
It will be interesting to see how that works for the “Sooner” states.
We have seen enough words redefined that we can redefine “Sooner”.
What Will Be Will Be.
It will be interesting to see- “What Will Be”.

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Look at this time line

Don’t think so…

On December 31 last year, China alerted the WHO to several cases of unusual pneumonia in Wuhan, a city of 11 million people. The virus was unknown.

At that point in time, I suspect they had no idea of the gorilla they had on their hands. The WHO notification is when the clock starts… just because they have a recorded, unidentified illness… does not mean it’s a pandemic… On the 31st, they realised that they could have a real serious problem. January 11, was the first Chinese death.

On January 5 , Chinese officials ruled out the possibility that this was a recurrence of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) virus - an illness that originated in China and killed more than 770 people worldwide in 2002-2003.

Trump wasted two months and is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans.

Take a shot of Lysol, and call me in the morning…

Dik

My cartoon on recent events:

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A rectal thermometer yes.
A UV tube, maybe.
A daffodil, never.

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Wrong end…

Dik